The Market List Interviews
Q & A with Ellen Datlow
by Paula Guran
(from The Market List #7)
OMNI Magazine was
one of the first magazines to commit to being part of an
Internet service (AOL) and now is set to launch themselves
into a new, expanded site on the Web. They no longer exist
in hard copy form. This voyage into the Net, along with
their maintenance of the AOL area, is both an attempt to
survive and to pioneer. They've asked me, Paula Guran (aka
DarkEcho,) to help build a horror community there.
Why me? I've been moderating the Dark
Fiction/Horror Writers Workshop on AOL for almost two years
now and established a web site about 10 months ago. Doesn't
sound like much time, but in cyberspace it equates to a
decade. I've hosted over 100 live chats so far, and published
more than 100 editions of what is now called "DarkEcho,"
an electronic newsletter for horror writers (and others.)
I've had the opportunity to form a network of writers based
almost entirely on email that, I hope, proves as beneficial
for them as it has for me. One benefit has been becoming
the editor of BONES, a new magazine of dark fiction
that will debut in late September.
I also am now working as a content
webmaster for a commercial site doing research, surfing
sites, facilitating tech and graphic elements and generally
being as close to hard wired directly to the Net as you
can get without having a skull socket. There have been days
when I have been on the Net 8 hours at work and then come
home and do 4 more working on horror.
Besides, Ellen Datlow, fiction editor
at OMNI, is one of those people who is inflicted
with that newsletter I mentioned each week. She's been getting
it almost from the beginning when I "met" her, of course,
via email and we took a few months and several continents
to do an email interview. (Ellen travels a lot.) We've met
in "real life" since then at cons, of course.
Ellen Datlow has been fiction editor
of OMNI since 1981. She has earned a reputation forencouraging
and developing writers such as William Gibson, Pat Cadigan,
Dan Simmons, andK.W. Jeter and for publishing Clive Barker,
Stephen King, William Burroughs, Ursula K. LeGuin, Jonathan
Carroll, Joyce Carol Oates, Peter Straub, and Jack Cady
in OMNI.
She has edited dozens of anthologies
and won two World Fantasy Awards. Twists of the Tale:
A Book of Cat Horror will be published by Dell/Abyss
November 1996; White Swan, Black Raven, the fourth
volume of retold fairy tales edited by Datlow and Windling
will be published by AvoNova in the spring of 1996.
Ellen moderated a panel on "what's
happening in the near future" of horror at the Horror Writers
Association Annual Meeting in New York City last June. I
was lucky enough to be on that panel with her along with
Don D'Amassa and Stephen Jones. The question of fiction
on the Internet arose. This little chat is sort of an outgrowth
of that and some previous chats the two of us have had about
cyberspace.
PAULA: What has
OMNI's experience on AOL been like, Ellen, and what
are you planning on doing on the Net now?
ELLEN: Well, we plan to take what
we can of the print magazine (fiction to look as close as
possible to an easily readable page, short articles, columns,
art gallery, humor, things like that) and transmute what
we can't into an interesting participatory magazine for
the Net. Our AOL area was fed by the print magazine. It
was a good foot in the door and has great chat software,
and is still of great concern and will be revamped and re-launched
after the web start-up to reflect OMNI's growing
sophistication in online arenas. The participation in our
area on AOL, however, seems quite limited -- particularly
people downloading fiction. Of course, there was little
or no advertising for the area. Let's say it was getting
our feet wet. . . .
PAULA: OMNI
committed quite awhile back to publishing top writers online
just as they have in print. As you mentioned, you did this
first on AOL and, really, not enough people read those stories.
Now OMNI no longer is a print magazine and is available
only online in electronic form and will continue its commitment
to fiction. We've talked about how OMNI is a pioneer
in this and that someday people will sagely nod and say,
"Wow, man, they really paved the infohighway for all this
great stuff that is now successful. . ." but that pioneers
often wind up as dead bleached bones in the middle of the
trail they blazed. What do you think?
ELLEN: Hopefully we'll catch on
fairly quickly. Someone's got to start and this is the perfect
opportunity. The advantage of publishing (anything, not
just fiction) online is that space is no longer a problem.
. . a print magazine is limited by what you can fit within
the magazine format -- and that often depends on how much
advertising you get and the ad/edit ratio. I can now run
any length fiction, we can run as many stories as we want
(original or reprint if we choose.) In print I'd never reprint
stories because I wouldn't want to take up the limited space
devoted to fiction to reprints. Online it doesn't matter;
there's infinite space to run fiction (of course it costs
money to reprint or run original fiction so we're limited
by budget). So I hope we can run more features like our
alien summer during which we're "reprinting" 20 alien contact
stories that we originally published in OMNI. . .
and then we'll try selling them as a downloadable anthology.
. .
PAULA: That brings
up the question: How do you expect to make money enough
from this to support it? Profits on the Net are next to
nil for most folks as yet.
ELLEN: Advertising, sponsorships,
contests, selling books (in our bookstore,) selling our
stories as downloadable "create your own anthologies."
PAULA: One of the
few categories that has done fairly well so far in Net retailing
may be books. Advertising profits are, according to "experts"
either highly inflated right now and sure to dematerialize
or "The Next Big Thing" in the field. Who knows? The contests
sound like fun and I personally like the idea of downloading
a "specialized" anthology. Let's just hope it works. Speaking
of money, writers are now beginning to be paid professional
rates for web-writing. In my opinion, as long as a work
is published for a professional rate -- it is published.
In some cases, that writing is more widely read than it
would be in hard copy. Is there any problem with professionals
accepting this type of publication as "real?"
ELLEN: I believe that currently
online publication does not qualify for membership in SFWA,
but that should change soon with OMNI's entry onto
the web making this an obviously an archaic rule. Professional
standards should be the criteria, and as far as I'm concerned
that means pro pay rates.
PAULA: HWA has no
qualms. You pay pro rates for horror, it's professionally
published. You've said you think that if any type of fiction
has a chance online it is SF. You've also said you don't
think the same is true for horror. Why?
ELLEN: Simply because I don't think
horror/fantasy readers are as net literate or enthusiastic
yet as SF readers and writers.
PAULA: I agree because
many SF readers are already tech-oriented. There are a lot
of horror writers already establishing web pages of their
own, though. The interesting thing (and I discovered this
researching genre sites) is that SF and horror absolutely
dominate electronic fiction at the moment. Somehow I don't
think romance, for instance, will ever be as strong as these
areas. What do you think IS the future of electronic publishing?
ELLEN: Hopefully the boring sites
will drop out. Everyone has a web address now. I hear URLs
given for every radio station, product, etc. Most of these
sites are dull, useless and basically a complete waste of
time. The novelty of contentless sites will disappear and
so will the mass advertising by the people who run those
sites. For a publisher to just have their address and a
few of their books mentioned on their site is not going
to drum up business. If they run content -- excerpts, bios
of their authors, interviews, chats, whatever, people will
come back. The good sites will last and, hopefully, evolve.
PAULA: I wonder
what people ARE beginning to read off the Net. I've downloaded
some non-fiction manuals and (appropriately) Bruce Sterling's
THE HACKER CRACKDOWN. I also do a lot of research
on the web -- bios, background information, facts --things
like that. As far as fiction, other than the OMNI
stories on AOL, I've read DELIRIUM, Dennis Cooper's
continuing novel. Most interestingly I've found some great
classic fiction, like Poe. I recently recommended Charlotte
Perkins Gilman's "The Yellow Wall-Paper" to people. They
didn't have to go to the library or search for it. It's
on the Web. I even emailed it to some people. I do tend
to print out anything lengthy, though. I am beginning to
find some interesting zines. . .not so much decent new short
fiction yet. And I read a LOT of email onscreen. What about
you, Ellen? What do you read?
ELLEN: I email constantly. If I
thought there was good fiction online I'd download and read
it. . . if it were short I might read it online. As a matter
of fact, I have been reading Time Out's fiction edited
by Nick Royle.
PAULA: Thanks Ellen.
We'll have to talk more in a few months and see how things
are developing.
[NOTE: This interview/chat was conducted
completely by email. Those interested in remaining updated
on horror can subscribe to "DarkEcho." by emailing darkecho@aol.com.
OMNI's new site will be appearing at http://www.omnimag.com/]
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